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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgmsop@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> Jean O'Boyle wrote:
>> "Runge121" <philsa@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
>> news:4c1414eb$1$2964$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.f r...
>>> Oh yes the US of course !
>>
>>
>> Poor Evelyn cannot help herself....she never misses the opportunity to
>> say something to degrade the country that she lives in.
>>
>> --Jean
>
> Not the COUNTRY, just the resident ass-holes like you, who have forgotten
> what "democracy" means!




Oh, My! Using "Obama talk!" Name calling comes when one has nothing
worthwhile to say.
Too Funny! It is the liberal mainstream media of which you complain! I
forgot more about "Democracy" than you can remember.
I'm married to a man who signed a blank check for 30 years to fight for the
democracy of which you speak.


"A "Veteran" -- whether active duty, discharged, retired, or reserve -- is
someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to
"The United States of America," for an amount of "up to, and including his
life."

--Jean

erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> said:

>What happened to "travel" topics here lately?

i have been trying to find some, even this thread seems to be about
ipads or something.
--
Sterling Fellow

On 14/06/10 00:08, erilar wrote:
> In article <hv25m0$h91$2@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Martin <martin@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Why not use your PC?
>
> I don't have one if you're using that term in its modern limited sense,
> as I suppose you probably are. Nowadays it just means M$-enslaved to
> those of us with other systems 8-) I have three sizes/generations of
> computers and none uses that _________

I am using Open Suse Linux 11.2 and have no problems accessing the BBC
website and other news websites.

"erilar" <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:drache-0F6D7D.17005113062010@reserved-multicast-range-not-delegated.example.com...
> In article <87k9jsFo8hU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "tim...." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> why do you need an app?
>
> It's an iPad.

How is that an answer?

Surely it has an internet browser (the website shows it with one)

http://images.apple.com/uk/ipad/home...o_20100127.png

tim

"David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" <d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1jk1m9u.13u9z94do5ia7N%d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk...
> tim.... <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> "erilar" <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:drache-99925F.22095112062010@62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi...
>> > In article <hv0ist02t1j@news3.newsguy.com>,
>> > "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgmsop@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Donwill wrote:
>> >> > On 12/06/2010 16:47, erilar wrote:
>> >> >> What happened to "travel" topics here lately?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> > It's been taken over and ruined by American Nutters with bees in
>> >> > their
>> >> > bonnets.
>> >> > Don
>> >>
>> >> Unfortunately, so has the American media! (Thank God for the
>> >> Internet -
>> >> it seems to be the only source for any approximation of "balanced"
>> >> news
>> >> in the U.S. these days.)
>> >
>> > I've just acquired an iPad and had the brilliant thought of adding an
>> > app for BBC News. I already get German news 8-)
>>
>> why do you need an app?
>>
>> Why can't you just type in the url (and save it as a favourite - or
>> whatever)?
>>
>> (genuine question I know nothing about this appley stuff)
>
> You can, but the ipad doesn't support flash, due to two large
> corporations (Adobe and Apple) having a petty fight. Disable flash on
> your browser and go to the bbc news website- the video and audio won't
> work. Same goes for almost any media website.

You don't need flash to read the BBC, only to play their annoying videos.

> I use an app for BBC news which is useful as it downloads news stories
> so you can read them online.

OK, I can see a small need for that, but only if you really can't read
whilst online for some reason.

In the old order world of being charged by connection time I can see that
people might want to read offline to save connection costs, but with
connections charged by megabytes nowadays that isn't going to make any
difference, or am I missing something?

tim

On 14/06/10 10:48, tim.... wrote:
> "erilar" <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote in message
> news:drache-0F6D7D.17005113062010@reserved-multicast-range-not-delegated.example.com...
>> In article <87k9jsFo8hU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> "tim...." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> why do you need an app?
>>
>> It's an iPad.
>
> How is that an answer?
>
> Surely it has an internet browser (the website shows it with one)
>
> http://images.apple.com/uk/ipad/home...o_20100127.png

from what Erilar has said the browser can't cope with the BBC website.

"Martin" <martin@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:hv4v5s$3s7$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 14/06/10 10:48, tim.... wrote:
>> "erilar" <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:drache-0F6D7D.17005113062010@reserved-multicast-range-not-delegated.example.com...
>>> In article <87k9jsFo8hU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> "tim...." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> why do you need an app?
>>>
>>> It's an iPad.
>>
>> How is that an answer?
>>
>> Surely it has an internet browser (the website shows it with one)
>>
>> http://images.apple.com/uk/ipad/home...o_20100127.png
>
> from what Erilar has said the browser can't cope with the BBC website.

But apart from the videos, it's a simple html and jpeg based site, there is
nothing tricky about it at all.

And if there is, it's possible to select a version that is entirely text
based.

tim

On 14/06/10 12:19, tim.... wrote:
> "Martin" <martin@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:hv4v5s$3s7$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On 14/06/10 10:48, tim.... wrote:
>>> "erilar" <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:drache-0F6D7D.17005113062010@reserved-multicast-range-not-delegated.example.com...
>>>> In article <87k9jsFo8hU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>> "tim...." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> why do you need an app?
>>>>
>>>> It's an iPad.
>>>
>>> How is that an answer?
>>>
>>> Surely it has an internet browser (the website shows it with one)
>>>
>>> http://images.apple.com/uk/ipad/home...o_20100127.png
>>
>> from what Erilar has said the browser can't cope with the BBC website.
>
> But apart from the videos, it's a simple html and jpeg based site, there is
> nothing tricky about it at all.

Except it blocks access if it thinks you don't have the applications
installed that it needs.

>
> And if there is, it's possible to select a version that is entirely text
> based.
>
> tim
>
>
>
>

On Jun 12, 5:47*pm, erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> What happened to "travel" topics here lately?
>
> --
> Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
>
> http://www.mosaictelecom.com/~erilarlo

Runge will be back from Buenos Aires soon....I look forward to his
trip report....

On 14/06/10 12:49, BP killed my turtle wrote:
> On Jun 12, 5:47 pm, erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>> What happened to "travel" topics here lately?
>>
>> --
>> Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
>>
>> http://www.mosaictelecom.com/~erilarlo
>
> Runge will be back from Buenos Aires soon....I look forward to his
> trip report....

Posthumous hopefully.

On 14/06/10 12:49, BP killed my turtle wrote:
> On Jun 12, 5:47 pm, erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>> What happened to "travel" topics here lately?
>>
>> --
>> Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
>>
>> http://www.mosaictelecom.com/~erilarlo
>
> Runge will be back from Buenos Aires soon....I look forward to his
> trip report....

The hottest gay in Buenos Aires?

I blame his his hand knitted string vest and long johns, Harris Tweed
suit and padded waistcoat.

In article <87m91dFihqU1@mid.individual.net>,
"tim...." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> In the old order world of being charged by connection time I can see that
> people might want to read offline to save connection costs, but with
> connections charged by megabytes nowadays that isn't going to make any
> difference, or am I missing something?

How about not ALWAYS being within wi-fi range?

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist


http://www.mosaictelecom.com/~erilarlo

In article <r4qb169bd6ls2llbl5anj6m7th05asnona@4ax.com>,
Sterling Fellow <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:

> i have been trying to find some, even this thread seems to be about
> ipads or something.

Sorry about that; new enthusiasm. But I started this because I wanted
SOME kind of travel discussion . Want to discuss some great castles? I
have some new candidates I collected during two weeks in Germany this
spring.

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist


http://www.mosaictelecom.com/~erilarlo

In article <hv4qdd$jjc$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
Martin <martin@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 14/06/10 00:08, erilar wrote:
> > In article <hv25m0$h91$2@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > Martin <martin@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> Why not use your PC?
> >
> > I don't have one if you're using that term in its modern limited sense,
> > as I suppose you probably are. Nowadays it just means M$-enslaved to
> > those of us with other systems 8-) I have three sizes/generations of
> > computers and none uses that _________
>
> I am using Open Suse Linux 11.2 and have no problems accessing the BBC
> website and other news websites.

OK 8-) I like to sit back in an easy chair to read, which is a lot less
comfortable with my laptop in my lap than with something more like a
news magazine. Furthermore, I can read OFFline when I'm out of reach of
my home network sitting out in the yard.

Yes, this sounds odd, I know, but with reinforced concrete slab walls
and a lot of dirt surrounding and covering most of the house, the
network is only accessible indoors.

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist


http://www.mosaictelecom.com/~erilarlo

In article <1jk1sa2.j1zxmed6diyfN%d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk>,
d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

> erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>
> > In article <1jk1105.dmmv3tqx1utcN%d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk>,
> > d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
> >
> > > The iPad is a pretty useless device for most news video content though.
> >
> > But I have this old-fashioned habit of preferring to READ my news rather
> > than watch little videos anyway 8-)
>
> Then you've got quite an expensive newspaper in the ipad. My gripe here
> is that apple are promoting this as having a web browser, when it's
> fundamentally broken by not supporting flash. It would drive me nuts.

What's flash for? It's apparently for something I haven't wanted to use
on the iPad. The iPad is also a whole library; I don't need flash to
download an incredible assortment of totally free books I needn't make a
20-mile round trip to the library for. Eventually the gas savings ought
to contribute a little to ameliorate the price 8-) And then there's
travel, which brings us back on topic!

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist


http://www.mosaictelecom.com/~erilarlo

In article <87m8o8FgsiU1@mid.individual.net>,
"tim...." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> "erilar" <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote in message
> news:drache-0F6D7D.17005113062010@reserved-multicast-range-not-delegated.examp
> le.com...
> > In article <87k9jsFo8hU1@mid.individual.net>,
> > "tim...." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> why do you need an app?
> >
> > It's an iPad.
>
> How is that an answer?
>
> Surely it has an internet browser (the website shows it with one)
>
> http://images.apple.com/uk/ipad/home...o_20100127.png
>
> tim

Oh, that, too. But it keeps whatever it last downloaded even when
offline with the BBC app, and I've usually last done something else with
Safari.

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist


http://www.mosaictelecom.com/~erilarlo

In article <hv4v5s$3s7$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
Martin <martin@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 14/06/10 10:48, tim.... wrote:
> > "erilar" <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:drache-0F6D7D.17005113062010@reserved-multicast-range-not-delegated.exa
> > mple.com...
> >> In article <87k9jsFo8hU1@mid.individual.net>,
> >> "tim...." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>> why do you need an app?
> >>
> >> It's an iPad.
> >
> > How is that an answer?
> >
> > Surely it has an internet browser (the website shows it with one)
> >
> > http://images.apple.com/uk/ipad/home...o_20100127.png
>
> from what Erilar has said the browser can't cope with the BBC website.

No, it doesn't KEEP the content offline because I've usually been doing
something else, 8-) I'm still learning what the iPad can do.

Back to travel again, more or less. I like to play with maps. I was in
Passau at the end of April and was playing with iPad's map recently and
followed the Donau from Passau all the way to the Black Sea to see what
the landscape looked like. Yes, I can do that on my laptop, too, but
this was just an idle game while I was relaxing and drinking coffee in
my recliner.

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist


http://www.mosaictelecom.com/~erilarlo

tim.... <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> "David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" <d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1jk1m9u.13u9z94do5ia7N%d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk...
[]
> > You can, but the ipad doesn't support flash, due to two large
> > corporations (Adobe and Apple) having a petty fight. Disable flash on
> > your browser and go to the bbc news website- the video and audio won't
> > work. Same goes for almost any media website.
>
> You don't need flash to read the BBC, only to play their annoying videos.

Whether you use it or not, the web browsing experience for a lot of
people includes video and audio content. The ipad can't do that- hence
why it's hardly the 'best browsing experience' as apple's marketing
claims.

> > I use an app for BBC news which is useful as it downloads news stories
> > so you can read them online.
>
> OK, I can see a small need for that, but only if you really can't read
> whilst online for some reason.
>
> In the old order world of being charged by connection time I can see that
> people might want to read offline to save connection costs, but with
> connections charged by megabytes nowadays that isn't going to make any
> difference, or am I missing something?

Yes, it's not always possible to connect, you might be roaming abroad
(which is still prohibitively expensive) or like me, have an ipod which
can only connect to the internet by wifi. And some ipads only use wifi
AIUI.

--
(*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
www.davidhorne.net (email address on website)
"[Do you think the world learned anything from the first
world war?] No. They never learn." -Harry Patch (1898-2009)

"Martin" <martin@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 14/06/10 12:19, tim.... wrote:
>> "Martin" <martin@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:hv4v5s$3s7$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> On 14/06/10 10:48, tim.... wrote:
>>>> "erilar" <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:drache-0F6D7D.17005113062010@reserved-multicast-range-not-delegated.example.com...
>>>>> In article <87k9jsFo8hU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>> "tim...." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> why do you need an app?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's an iPad.
>>>>
>>>> How is that an answer?
>>>>
>>>> Surely it has an internet browser (the website shows it with one)
>>>>
>>>> http://images.apple.com/uk/ipad/home...o_20100127.png
>>>
>>> from what Erilar has said the browser can't cope with the BBC website.
>>
>> But apart from the videos, it's a simple html and jpeg based site, there
>> is
>> nothing tricky about it at all.
>
> Except it blocks access if it thinks you don't have the applications
> installed that it needs.

not on my PC it doesn't.

tim

"erilar" <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:drache-DD7387.08221214062010@reserved-multicast-range-not-delegated.example.com...
> In article <87m8o8FgsiU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "tim...." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> "erilar" <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:drache-0F6D7D.17005113062010@reserved-multicast-range-not-delegated.examp
>> le.com...
>> > In article <87k9jsFo8hU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> > "tim...." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> >> why do you need an app?
>> >
>> > It's an iPad.
>>
>> How is that an answer?
>>
>> Surely it has an internet browser (the website shows it with one)
>>
>> http://images.apple.com/uk/ipad/home...o_20100127.png
>>
>> tim
>
> Oh, that, too. But it keeps whatever it last downloaded even when
> offline with the BBC app, and I've usually last done something else with
> Safari.

by implication you are saying that the standard browser doesn't cache
downloaded things. Yes?

That's pretty poor

tim

"David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" <d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1jk38fi.1r5aco8yclyicN%d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk...
> tim.... <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> "David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" <d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:1jk1m9u.13u9z94do5ia7N%d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk...
> []
>> > You can, but the ipad doesn't support flash, due to two large
>> > corporations (Adobe and Apple) having a petty fight. Disable flash on
>> > your browser and go to the bbc news website- the video and audio won't
>> > work. Same goes for almost any media website.
>>
>> You don't need flash to read the BBC, only to play their annoying videos.
>
> Whether you use it or not, the web browsing experience for a lot of
> people includes video and audio content. The ipad can't do that- hence
> why it's hardly the 'best browsing experience' as apple's marketing
> claims.

OK I can accept this, but I was just asking about erilar's needs and she
said that she didn't need videos.

And even if she did, if they require flash and the iPad doesn't do flash,
it's not going to work whether she tries to view them in a browser or via an
app.

For clarity here, I'm trying to learn about apps. I trying to understand
why people might need to download (and sometimes pay for) an app to do
something that the native machine can already do.

tim

tim.... <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> "David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" <d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1jk38fi.1r5aco8yclyicN%d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk...
> > tim.... <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> "David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" <d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> news:1jk1m9u.13u9z94do5ia7N%d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk...
> > []
> >> > You can, but the ipad doesn't support flash, due to two large
> >> > corporations (Adobe and Apple) having a petty fight. Disable flash on
> >> > your browser and go to the bbc news website- the video and audio won't
> >> > work. Same goes for almost any media website.
> >>
> >> You don't need flash to read the BBC, only to play their annoying videos.
> >
> > Whether you use it or not, the web browsing experience for a lot of
> > people includes video and audio content. The ipad can't do that- hence
> > why it's hardly the 'best browsing experience' as apple's marketing
> > claims.
>
> OK I can accept this, but I was just asking about erilar's needs and she
> said that she didn't need videos.
>
> And even if she did, if they require flash and the iPad doesn't do flash,
> it's not going to work whether she tries to view them in a browser or via an
> app.
>
> For clarity here, I'm trying to learn about apps. I trying to understand
> why people might need to download (and sometimes pay for) an app to do
> something that the native machine can already do.

Short cuts and ease of use. Erilar already mentioned the offline
capacity, but I think you're misunderstanding that, or she's talking
about something else. The BBC newsreader app downloads a lot of news
items with limited pictures, so you can then read them offline. Useful
if you're travelling and don't have a 3g connection, etc.

On the ipod, I generally use apps for things the browser can't do.
Listening to radio for example...

--
(*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
www.davidhorne.net (email address on website)
"[Do you think the world learned anything from the first
world war?] No. They never learn." -Harry Patch (1898-2009)

tim.... <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> "erilar" <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote in message
> news:drache-0F6D7D.17005113062010@reserved-multicast-range-not-delegated.e
> xample.com... > In article <87k9jsFo8hU1@mid.individual.net>,
> > "tim...." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> why do you need an app?
> >
> > It's an iPad.
>
> How is that an answer?
>
> Surely it has an internet browser (the website shows it with one)
>
> http://images.apple.com/uk/ipad/home...o_20100127.png

And of course if you tap on the multimedia content on that site? The
computer says no. There's a funny ipad ad at the bus stop near here with
someone's finger hovering over the 'multimedia' content link on the
guardian site.

--
(*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
www.davidhorne.net (email address on website)
"[Do you think the world learned anything from the first
world war?] No. They never learn." -Harry Patch (1898-2009)

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>
>
> Brian wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 17:01:02 +0100, Donwill
>> <Donwill.seesig@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> It's been taken over and ruined by American Nutters with bees in
>>> their bonnets.
>>> Don
>>
>> How does that prevent others from posting travel topics?
>
> It doesn't, entirely - but it becomes very tedious to have to scroll to
> "Next unread message", then "Mark thread read" for all the irritating
> cross-posts, and my browser doesn't offer an option to simply kill-file
> all the off-topic newsgroups

My Mozilla killfile works fine. Last time I checked the logfile was full
of PJOD... I hear there is something called greasemonkey out there,
don't know the details.

T.

On 14/06/10 19:05, tim.... wrote:
> "Martin" <martin@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:hv50r9$pmg$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On 14/06/10 12:19, tim.... wrote:
>>> "Martin" <martin@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:hv4v5s$3s7$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> On 14/06/10 10:48, tim.... wrote:
>>>>> "erilar" <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:drache-0F6D7D.17005113062010@reserved-multicast-range-not-delegated.example.com...
>>>>>> In article <87k9jsFo8hU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>>> "tim...." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> why do you need an app?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's an iPad.
>>>>>
>>>>> How is that an answer?
>>>>>
>>>>> Surely it has an internet browser (the website shows it with one)
>>>>>
>>>>> http://images.apple.com/uk/ipad/home...o_20100127.png
>>>>
>>>> from what Erilar has said the browser can't cope with the BBC website.
>>>
>>> But apart from the videos, it's a simple html and jpeg based site, there
>>> is
>>> nothing tricky about it at all.
>>
>> Except it blocks access if it thinks you don't have the applications
>> installed that it needs.
>
> not on my PC it doesn't.

because you already have installed what iPlayer is looking for..